Oh well, I can see a baby in her hands. She's going to have a little baby.
And I'd say to Mum, "Your friend's pregnant."
Oh no, she's not. I said, "Well, she is."
Because she's holding a little...
I can see her holding a little baby girl with red hair and freckles.
And Mum dismissed the whole thing.
Well, of course, inevitably, through the course of time,
it would happen, it would come to pass.
And Mum would come to me a little confused and say, "Who told you this?
How did you know this?"
Welcome. I'm Peter Williams.
And for the past 10 years, I've been connecting with thousands of people from the stage and online
to help them discover the importance of spiritual and energetic practices
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It is time to awaken your connection, align with your soul and achieve your own inner power
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We are so excited to be here. Just to fill you in, we are two guys who are full-time psychics
and mediums and we're here to sit down to break down some of the complexities and misconceptions
around spirituality and what it's like living between two worlds. It's so exciting because I'm
joined here by an awesome man of mine, David Laws. He reads Flowers for a Living and of course I am
Pete and I speak to dead people for a living. So as you can tell, we have a unique point of view
to walk you through this and provide insights and some anecdotes about this world and the next.
So hang on to your hat as we take you on this journey and to help us start that journey.
Mate, David, welcome. How are you doing mate? Hey, good thanks Pete. Thanks for the intro.
How exciting is this for us today? I know right? We talk about things in universe and really
live in this life and I suppose we both do it don't we? We do mate. We do and to clarify
something very important. We are psychic and not psycho. So very much. A lot of people think
are psychic. Are you psycho? Well, I used to think I was, but you know what? It's really not quite
that way. In fact, the worlds that you and I live in, Pete, are two very, very exciting worlds.
And this is what we're going to bring to our beautiful listening audience today.
Yes. And I suppose the thing is, it's a great place to lead into because
you read flowers for a living. I speak to dead people for a living.
And I don't mean to be crude, but that's just pointing in the most simplified terms we can.
But the truth is, we didn't start off like this, did we?
No. You know?
See, that's the thing, Pete, because a lot of people don't understand
that when you are gifted with a gift or ability or a skill of some sort, you are born with that.
No one wakes up in the morning and goes, "Hmm, what will I do today? I know,
I think I'll be a psychic or I think I'll be a medium. That's what I'd like to do."
It's a gift that chooses you.
You know, it comes to you.
You were born with that.
And through the course of your life, you will, you know, if you align yourself with that
gift and talent, you'll expand on it.
And inevitably, it may even become your destiny as it has done with you and I.
And that's a perfect point because when we look at it, I know that no guidance counsellor
was directing me in the direction of going out there and speaking to hundreds of people
and connecting with their loved ones.
But, you know, when we look at this, and I think that's the thing.
through our journey, we've noticed that there have been cues,
there have been hints and through our journeys
and the conversations that we've had,
we've had that thing of people asking about,
"Pete or Dave, how do you know that's the universe
or how do you know that's the right thing to do?"
And that's what we're gonna get into here today.
We're gonna help you and break down
some of those wonderful universal breadcrumbs.
And they are so easily missed sometimes
and we're gonna walk you through it.
And the best way to do that is
we're gonna tell you how we got to where we are today.
So, mate, let's rewind.
I know your cassette might go a little bit further back.
(laughing)
- You used the word cassette.
Now that's my language, mate.
I'm so 1970s.
- And you still drive in the Cadillac, mate.
- I am, I guess.
Both my cars are more than 40 years old.
- But they're in mint condition, which is awesome.
But let's go back and just describe to our listeners,
How did this really start for you?
When did, how did this kick off?
Because it is like, even though you said we're born with it.
- Yeah, that's right.
- How does it bubble up?
How does it come to the forefront?
- Do you know what, Pete?
As you would understand, mate,
it's something that's ever so subtle.
It's very subtle.
And it's not something that hit you with this ledge, Hamman.
You don't suddenly see, you know,
dead people walking around.
Well, I certainly didn't.
- For me, that's right.
For me, it was more or less, I refer to it as a knowing.
And I used to feel things about people
and know things about people.
And when I was quite young, I'd mentioned things to mom and dad
and they'd sort of brush it off and go, oh, whatever, whatever.
But I just thought, why do I know this about this person?
Or I would meet one of my mother's friends and I'm thinking,
oh, wow, I can see a baby in her hands.
She's going to have a little baby.
And I'd say to mom, your friend's pregnant.
Oh, no, she's not.
I said, well, she is because she's holding a little,
I can see her holding a little baby girl
with red hair and freckles and mom dismissed the whole thing.
Well, of course, inevitably through the course of time,
it would happen, it would come to pass.
and mum would come to me a little confused and say,
who told you this?
How did you know this?
Like, how, David, I can't understand
where you're getting this information from.
And back then as a child, you don't know either
because it's information, it's knowledge
that comes into your being.
It's in your head.
It's not like a person or a man or a lady was whispering
to me or I wasn't getting a direct line from God.
It was just, I just call it the knowing.
I just used to feel this knowing
and it's a feeling of knowledge.
It's just like, "Oh, suddenly I know what to say
when I'm using those senses."
And I must add, Pete, that in those early days,
it wasn't something that was prolific
and it wasn't something that was every day.
It was very random and very, just as you said before,
Pete, breadcrumbs, little sprinklings of things
every now and again.
I never, back in the '70s, my growing up as a kid,
we, I didn't even know what the word psychic meant.
I didn't know what a spiritualist was.
I didn't know anything about spirit
or the way that we do now,
because remember back in the late 60s, 70s.
- I can't remember mate.
- No, you weren't here, you weren't here.
Let me tell you, it was a great time wasn't it?
(laughing)
It was a great time.
If you were lucky enough to remember it,
the drugs were good back then too.
- There's a psychedelic sense.
- That's right there.
(laughing)
- I love it.
- So, you know, as fate led me down the path,
I mean I left school at three minutes past 15
and I really didn't gel all that well with school
And I didn't know what I wanted to do with school,
not many kids do, but I fell into the work of, you know,
public work through retail and what have you,
and had re-inverted commerce, normal jobs,
and had a normal life.
And I'm the oldest of four kids,
and it was just very normal until I reached my early 20s,
and I had this yearning, this feeling.
I thought, "I've got to do something with this feeling,
and why do I know all this information?"
And as you can appreciate, back in the early 80s,
there was no such thing as the internet.
It didn't exist.
Everything was books and if you were lucky enough to meet somebody who could guide you to a book or to a meeting or to a group
Who could assist you and help you?
Well, yeah, it's interesting you bring that up because you know, I was just fortunate enough
You know, so let's fast forward that cassette and we're starting to get to CDs now
But um, but the whole point is like I know that feeling like of of going through that
I think you might have been a slight
Little bit luckier than I was because with your mum going where did that come from?
I think my parents were just kind of worried. It's like is he going to turn goth?
Where's he gonna go with this?
We don't know.
So they just left to me to my own devices.
But it's interesting too, you had no internet.
I did, you know, my coming into this was
of the age of Netscape Navigator
as the browser of choice.
And Alta Vista was the search engine.
And you kind of know where you are in the timeline
of things in the internet age,
when you sign up for an email address
and you only have to use five letters, no dashes,
no special, no caps lock.
So it was like very back in the day.
So I was a little bit more fortunate I could go looking,
but you had this different, it's like you had this knowing
and it was before the internet.
But when we look at this, like, you know,
in your saying here in your 20s or early 20s,
it's like you knew something was coming.
But, you know, can you recall like,
were there any other like breadcrumbs?
- Yes. - You know,
that the universe provided to you.
- Yes. - Before that moment,
before you really kind of got into it.
- Well, really for me,
one of the major breadcrumbs that came to me was the gift.
And it was a gift of a book.
I called it my early Bible.
And it was a book called "Reaching for the Other Side"
and it was authored by Dawn and Roland Hill,
a husband and wife team.
Now that was gifted to me in 1979
when I was 19 years of age.
And I can remember devouring that book thinking,
oh my God, this is like manner from heaven
because it was the first time I'd ever read a book
that pertained to my experiences
and the thoughts and feelings that I had.
and, "Oh, here are two people who understand me
and I understand them,"
because it was virtually gifted to me from the world
that I knew existed,
but no one else in my world knew or understood,
even though I didn't know and understand it,
but they were speaking my language.
- But did you ask for this book?
- No, it was gifted to me.
Somebody just gifted it to me.
It was a lady that I worked with at David Jones,
I'll never forget.
And one day I was chatting randomly about my thoughts
and my spiritual feelings and inklings.
And one day she just turned up,
She said, "You might find this book interesting."
And I looked at it and I thought, "Oh, what's this?"
Within three pages, I was hooked
and that book became my Bible
and I just hung on every word of that book.
And amazingly, Dawn and Roland Hild
only lived a few suburbs where I lived in Sydney at the time.
So they were local as well, which really intrigued me.
It was just fantastic.
- Well, see, it's interesting
because you're kind of, I suppose, just putting it out there.
You're kind of exploring.
And I think the big thing too is expressing this side
of yourself.
Like I always said, you have to talk about it
and receive the book.
I was searching for things online,
but I know I was sending emails to people
trying to help me.
The wind is talking, I know it sounds weird
and I look back and think I might have been psycho,
but I now understand what was kind of happening,
but I was working through these things.
Now, when you look at the journey
and we look at this moment,
it's like I look at that and going,
you receiving the book, you had to read it.
You had to say yes to it.
You had to accept it.
And the same thing I look as much as I was trying to reach out
and have people explain things to me,
but I still ended up having to read.
I still had to explore and I still had to do exercises.
And I believe it's correct when you finished reading this,
it was kind of leading you into some palm readings.
- Correct, that was so funny because I thought,
What do I do?
How do I tune into this person?
And back in those early, early days,
I'd say to somebody,
can I just have your hand please?
And I'd hand over their hand.
(laughing)
The hand over their hand.
And I'm not a palmist.
I've never been trained in palmistry
and I'm not a palmist by any means.
But I used to just hold that person's hand
and I would elicit my guidance from the universe
that way and somehow once I tuned into that person's energy
and looked at their little hands
or their lines or their patterns,
somehow it's translated into some type of a message.
And to be honest, Pete, in those days,
it was a bit of fun, a little bit of larky,
and a little bit of, oh, well, it's a bit of jovial stuff,
a bit of laughter, oh, maybe this'll happen,
maybe that'll happen.
And then over the course of time,
people would come back to me saying,
"Do you remember that palm reading you did
at the barbecue that time,
or down at the drinks we had at Ann's place that night,
or that morning tea at work?"
And I'd go, "Yeah, well, it's all come true.
It's all come to pass."
- I just know amazing how that happens.
- I know, it's like, Jesus, that was a good guess.
(laughing)
- But I could so relate to that
because like I was going through it
and I remember I found this wonderful article
and I know because the website's still around
and it's crystallinks.com and oh my God, the lady there,
she's got a plethora of information.
And I don't know how, but obviously I was led
to the right space and I got into meditation very quickly
and there was an exercise of automatic writing.
And you know, me being me, like same thing,
"Oh, this is a bit of fun."
And really see it was a hobby, I think.
- Yeah, that's right.
- 'Cause it was just my own personal interest
and I wanted to explore it.
And that first night, I sat down at 2 a.m.
and as you do when you're 14,
and you sit there and go,
"Sure, I'm gonna start talking to the invisibles."
And all of a sudden you sit there and you relax
'cause some people don't know what automatic writing is.
And so you just relax,
you get yourself into a nice meditative state
and you've got pen and paper in your hand
and you just kind of relax.
And all of a sudden you just really let go.
And in that, then all of a sudden,
you're channeling the information through
and your hand starts to move by itself.
- Correct.
- And look, I won't lie.
As soon as it did, I absolutely shit myself.
The pen went one way, the book went the other way.
What do I do?
What do I do?
What do I do?
And I remember going, I need to tell someone.
It was so exciting, you know?
And I thought, I've got to tell mom and dad, they're asleep.
Not a good idea.
So I had to wait till the next morning,
but it led me from there, from that moment,
from that connection, it led me in.
So you had your, you know, palmistry and palm reading.
I'd limit myself to tarot for some reason.
But again, like I went off and taught myself.
And same thing, all of a sudden I was just practicing
or I had friends of friends and friends of friends
and then go, "Hey Pete, you know what?"
It's like, you know, same thing, lunch break room,
whatever, you know, you did that card reading for me.
That stuff started to happen.
And you kind of going, "Okay, well that's good.
I don't know what else to do with it."
I just said what I said.
- Exactly.
- But it's interesting, it's those moments of,
I think we need to say yes.
- Yes.
- And you know, when you sum it up, Dave,
with that first kind of moment,
would you call that subtle?
Would you say that universe is really hammering you to do this?
- They were never hammering me to do this.
It was ever so subtle.
And as I said, it was very lighthearted.
It was fun.
It was a bit of a fun thing to do.
And by the stage of me reaching my sort of early mid-20s,
Mum and Dad had, you know, quite warned the idea
that their son had this gift skill
an ability to be able to connect to the universe
or whatever it was and bring through some messages.
And mum used to say, oh, look,
we're having a barbecue on the weekend.
You know, we've got a few friends over.
Could you do a little reading just for my girlfriends?
I say, yes, mum, we can do that.
And it was always a little bit of fun.
You know, a wine and a giggle.
We used to call it wine, giggle and laughter.
And David will do some readings for us.
And it was always quite lighthearted fun.
Never once in those times did I ever realise
that it would be leading me to my destiny.
little did I realize that those little fun parties
and those little fun hand readings
and those little fun barbecues,
they were a part of my spiritual apprenticeship
that led me, the little breadcrumbs,
one little crumb at a time,
which then came to a few more crumbs
and then half a slice of bread,
then a slice, then a loaf.
It leads you onto this path to where I am today
and to where you are today, Pete.
And I think very, very few people would know
from a very young age that the work
that you are and I are involved in professionally
in a full-time way now is something that they are aware
of from a very young age.
In fact, I think of the big names in the world
that I have heard of and that I know they're in our work,
none of them started out as a child saying,
I'm going to be a full-time professional psychic
or a medium as a living.
It's something that develops, we develop this.
And sometimes, certainly in my case,
it was a series of circumstances that occurred to me
that almost forced me to look at this side of my life.
It's almost like spirit took so much,
they didn't take things away,
but I went through a series of experiences
where I lost lots and lots of things
and it revealed my truth.
And my truth was this work.
And I almost laughed.
I said, "You can't expect me to be doing this
as a full-time thing."
But of course now, as we sit here today,
this is my 13th year as a professional psychic.
And if somebody had literally done a reading for me
I looked into their crystal ball 13, 14 years ago
and told me what my destiny was, I would have laughed at them.
But guess what, fate has its way of bringing its way to you.
- And it's so interesting because I'm actually,
I look at it now, same thing like you said,
universe and spirit, kind of,
they don't take away things,
but they will help move you and nudge you
into the right direction.
And I know that for a fact,
because I'm absolutely so grateful
because I'm sitting here with you talking about this
and trying to help people understand those universal movements and breadcrumbs
as it is like we're getting so close like it's literally almost to the minute
of the 10 year anniversary of the Fukushima earthquake
which I was there for. That was the moment that my life changed
and I literally do tell people universe and spirit literally moved the earth
and water to get me back here and put me on this path and you just
kind of go wow and but I still had to say yes. I still have to say yes to it's
interesting. But, you know, let's go back into it because I know for a fact that when
I was going through this and, you know, I was the hobby thing, you're connecting up,
doing a few fun readings here and there. And then all of a sudden it's like, you just kind
of get to a point where you're like, I want more, you know, like, it's also the thirst
becomes, you know, you know, inscratiables like, you know, I really just want to, where
do I go? You know, because there's only so much you can kind of research or and it's
It's nice.
Universal will provide gifts like we talked about when they do.
And I think at the time I was really looking for a mentor.
And I remember specifically that I had a reading about 17 and it was one of my first ever that
I went for.
And his name was Danceheart.
He was a nice guy.
And I just remember he nailed on the head.
He goes, "Oh, look here young man.
You're looking for this old style master and apprenticeship style thing, aren't you?"
I'm like, "Yes."
And he says, "Mate, this doesn't happen anymore."
He goes, "You're gonna have to,
you take bits and pieces here, take pieces there."
Now that was an interesting turning point for me
because I really did want to mentor
and I had to admit it kind of deflated me.
I was a bit disappointed.
I walked away, you know, not exactly, you know,
tooting the horn, going, "Oh, that was an awesome reading
'cause I was a bit disappointed."
But it was a truth I needed to hear.
And at that moment I let go.
And I was like, "Okay, well, I just have to accept that.
I'm gonna have to do some of the work."
But then lo and behold, you know, I went to a reading
and I took my friend for her birthday for a reading
and I took her down to the little crystal shop
and behind there, little old lady comes out.
My friend went first because it was her birthday.
Anyway, she comes out bawling her eyes out.
I'm thinking, oh Jesus, what have I done here?
I'm like, this is her bloody birthday.
And it's like she's crying, literally tears,
the floodgates have opened.
And this little old lady comes out, she goes,
it's okay, dear, she just needs to have a good cry,
she should be right.
It's your turn's next, but just give me a minute.
I'm just gonna go for a walk around the block.
And I remember that after that, I had my reading
And I remember she pulled out this one card of the Oshio Zendik and she goes,
"See that card?"
And it's a card of this big gray bearded man with a big white light above.
He said, "That's you."
I'm like, "It meant nothing to me."
But the whole point is that right there in that moment, once I had let go of this
fact of what I was looking for, she said, "You know what?
I think you'd really benefit if you come along on every Tuesday night.
We have this gathering and you can come along.
And as long as the fairy lights are on, you can come in."
And now I know from talking to you, you had a very similar situation, didn't you?
I certainly did.
Almost verbatim because my gathering was every Tuesday night as well.
How am I going to believe it?
Tuesday night.
I know.
My mentor did say it's Tuesday night because we get to choose.
Yeah.
And I was like, I always like this.
Always stuck with me.
That one.
Tuesday.
Yes.
C-H-W-O-S-E-D-A-Y Tuesday.
I love that.
But no, it was a very, very similar thing with me.
And I was very fortunate to meet my great mentor teacher, who sadly
has now long since passed.
But back in those days, I can remember thinking,
who's my guide?
Who's my teacher?
Like, who can help me on this journey?
Who can help me understand, you know,
what I'm all about and who I'm all about?
And what's this gift and how do I corral it into something
and utilize it in a way that's going to benefit me
and other people?
I mean, I had visions of somebody like Dumbledore
out of Harry Potter turning up like a wise wizard.
- That was my card mate.
- That's right, it sounded like your card.
- It did.
- Had the scrolls of wisdom
had all this knowledge and I was expecting or hoping somebody like Dumbledore would turn
up to take me under his wing and guide me.
But of course my guide did turn up and she was the most nondescript person.
God love her.
Her name was Denise.
Denise back then was one of one.
It was one of Sydney's finest trans mediums and I had no idea who this lady was.
But she'd heard about this young guy who was doing these funny little hand readings.
So she booked in to come and see me for a reading, half to get a reading and half to
to check me out to see, you know,
she was quite keen to hear what I was all about.
She'd heard reports about this young guy
doing these readings.
So she came along one Thursday night
and I'll never forget Pete, she came to my front door
and little did I realise that when I answered the door
that night, there stood my great mentor and teacher
who would have a major, major part.
She'd play a major part in my destiny.
And when I opened the door there, she stood.
And Denise was a Buxom lady, had a hair pull back in a bun
and she was the quintessential Ocarossi lady
from the Western suburbs of Sydney out
I used to live at that time out near Campbelltown in New South Wales.
Denise had three loves in life.
She loves spirituality, windfill, blue cigarettes and tic-tacs.
And that's what she lived on.
And she always had a witty blue at the corner of her mouth.
And when I answered the door, she says, Oh, hi, I love a high.
I'm here to see for the reading.
And I said, Oh, well, hang on.
Well, just come on in.
Shall I hang on love?
And she put the cigarette out.
I thought, Oh my God.
So I showed her inside to my little reading room
and I did the little reading for her, the little hand reading.
And she sat there with a big grin in her face.
I said, "So that's it, do you have any questions?"
She said, "No, love, I don't, but I got one for you."
And I said, "Oh, what's that?"
She said, "Who's that bloke standing beside you?"
I went, "What?"
And I turned to the side, I said, "I don't know,
I can't see you, what?"
She said, "Well, love, he's the one
giving you all your messages."
And I went, "Oh, wow, who are you?"
"Oh, love, I forgot to tell you, I'm a medium as well."
I went, "Oh, wow, a medium, oh my God,
I don't think I've ever met a medium before."
So she said, "Yeah, love, that's what I do."
And she said, "I'm telling you,"
She said, "He's given you all that reading that you gave me."
That's what it was.
And I said, "Wow."
And then she told me the most extraordinary thing, Pete.
She said, "You know, he's telling me to tell you
"that one day you'll read flowers
"for thousands and thousands of people."
- Now, how did that go down?
Like, I just laughed because I said--
- Every time I'm like, how does that compute
is someone's head like, "You gotta read flowers for a living."
- I just laughed.
I said, "That is so cool.
"Who is your drunk dealer?"
Wow, that's just cool.
She said, "Live, I'm telling you."
I said, "Flower reading?
plain or self raising.
She said, no, love, the flowers are growing in the garden.
And I said, what?
And then this is hilarious.
She said, look, love, I've got more to tell you.
But she said, do you mind if we go to your veranda?
I want to have a cigarette.
And I've got more to tell you.
I said, oh, sure.
So we went out to the veranda.
She lit up a wimmy blue and she stood there.
This is so funny.
And she said, she's blowing the cigarette.
And she said, you know what, love?
She said, I reckon you should come to my house next Tuesday night.
And I said, and why is that?
She's sitting there puffing away.
This woman smoked like a bushfire in a hot westerly.
(laughing)
And she smoked and she said,
she just said, "Well, I run a healing group."
(laughing)
"A healing group."
And she's munching on these witty blues.
And she said, "I run a healing group."
And she said, "We do readings and we do all sorts of healing."
And I thought, "Oh, okay, this is cool."
And I said, "All right, well, look, oh yeah, I'll pop over."
And I went over the following Tuesday night,
there was groups of people in the lounge room
and all had little bags of flowers.
And back in those halcyon days of the '80s, Pete,
every second person used to smoke.
And there was a room full of chain smokers.
So when I walked into the room, I could barely see anyone.
So I didn't know whether they were real people or ghosts.
I could see silhouettes.
- They're like, "Hello, there is somebody there."
"Oh, hello, hi."
"I was just sort of puffing the smoke away."
"Oh, there is somebody there."
"Hello, oh, good eye, my dear, have a seat."
Oh, the bloody hell then Denise came out and she said,
"Well, love," she said, "Don't worry, love."
She said, "The heel and rooms out the back
"and there's no smoking out there.
"We just have a smoke before we go out."
I thought, "This is so funny."
And that's where the flower reading started for me.
And I must admit the very first time I ever picked up a flower out of the bag.
I said, "What do I have to do with this?"
She said, "Larm, you pull the flower out of the paper bag, hold it up to your third eye,
close your eyes, and it'll give you messages.
It'll talk to you."
And I thought, "Oh, wow, this is cool."
So of course I pulled the flower out of the bag, held it up to my third eye, and the
flower never said a bloody word.
I was just not telling me anything.
And she's sitting there puffing away the cigarette, and she said, "It's all right,
love, you're not focusing."
And I said, "Well, I am focusing."
(laughing)
She says, "All right, love."
And at the end of the night, I said,
"Well, look, thank you."
It was awfully nice of you to invite me.
I really want to thank you for inviting me along.
And she said, "Love, I'll see you next week."
I said, "Oh, do you want me to come back?
"Love, I'm gonna be your teacher."
Now, do you know what?
All jokes aside, Pete,
her house became my church for the next two,
two and a half years.
I never missed a Tuesday night.
It, to me, it was my church.
And the people that were there
were so beautiful, so fantastic.
And I just learned so much.
And she was very old school.
and taught a lot of the old school traditional spiritual ways.
Many aspects of those teachings that I still implement
and practice and teach in my own workshops to this day.
So extraordinary experience.
- And mate, it's like, I can totally relate to that
because it was, the Tuesday nights,
I couldn't wait for Tuesday to roll around.
And I love the way you describe that in terms,
it becomes your church because you finally get to feed
that part of yourself and you're in amongst people
who obviously all connect with you.
And it's like, you know, and I look at that, but it's amazing.
Isn't it when we really boil it down and we like just love the way like
our stories are just almost parallel with just a couple of decades apart.
You know what I mean? Exactly. You know, Tuesday nights, you know, my mentor,
you know, Ellie, she's an awesome soul.
I've got the privilege of still being able to connect with her today.
But the same thing. Yeah, she was loving us.
Siggy's too. She'd be out there.
I think your cue was the fact that if the fairy lights are on, it's on.
I think if the windows are open, the smoke's coming out.
- You actually had smoke signals.
- We actually had smoke signals.
And the funny thing was her Indian guide,
his name was Longfeather.
So his name was Longfeather and she had a long draw.
(laughing)
Long draw on the ciggy bit.
- But when you look at it though,
like in those initial early days,
we had to, it's almost like we had to say yes
and we had to kind of go, we wanna know more.
We had to do the deal.
And you know, 'cause you were at a point there,
You were looking for that mentor too, weren't you?
- Correct.
- Yeah, but did it come straight away?
- No, no, it didn't come straight away.
- So between them meeting Denise,
how long like between--
- Oh, probably, well mate, I met Denise
when I was around 26, 25, 26 years of age.
- So that's a fair chunk of time.
- And I started becoming aware of my journey
and wanting to know more,
around about the age of 18 to 19.
In fact, I had my very first reading
when I was 18 years of age.
- Yeah, but the same as well.
- Yeah, from a Scottish lady by the name of Mrs. Allbrighton
who would read Tea Leaves.
And oh, she had a very thick accent.
And I could barely understand it,
but she did my very first reading when I was 18.
And yeah, no, it was,
and that's what kicked me off into wanting to know more
and explore more about what this was,
about what this gift was,
but never once, like I said before, Pete,
never once did I look upon it as,
well, I need to get a grip of this
because this is who I am and what I'll be doing.
As I said, I didn't really discover this
until I was the age of 49, that, oh my God,
This is what I'm supposed to be doing in a full-time sense.
And one thing I just want to quickly reiterate here
to our beautiful listeners, don't ever think, my friends,
don't ever, ever think that you've got to have your life
all sorted and planned and knocked over by the age of 30.
Because you know what?
Your life can open up in so many different ways.
It's so many different stages and ages of your life.
And sometimes you've got to live all these sorts of paths
and chapters and experiences in your life
to bring you to the point of who you truly are
and to lead you into what you are supposed to be doing.
And as I said, it's been almost 12 years now
that it's been my full-time profession.
And it's like, oh, wow, this is what I'm here to do.
But I didn't discover that until I was 49.
- And I think that really leads perfectly into
what we'd consider the third really big universal crumb.
And that's about divine timing.
I know, it's exactly like you said there,
like the gaps that you had between receiving the book,
meeting your mentor, and then kind of living life
and finding it and stepping into it full time.
I would have to admit, I was probably
a little bit more excited and I was probably,
because we're now looking at like the early 2000s.
So I was really excited and I really loved
this side of myself and I wanted to explore it further.
And I remember it was fun enough,
it was with a reader who was on the Gold Coast 92.5 Gold FM.
And I was at my mentor's house that night
and it was just the two of us and we're listening
and the guy named was Jason and she said,
you know what, I'm gonna be bloody cheeky.
She goes, "I haven't had a reading.
I'm gonna call in, I'm calling in my guys,
I'm calling in a favor, I'm gonna get this reading."
With all in behold, she gets on
and she manages to have the reading with Jason.
And I said to her, "You haven't had a reading in ages.
How about I take you and go see him and have a proper one?"
And she goes, "Really?"
And I said, "Yeah, I'll drive it
'cause I know you don't drive it."
She would just break down the tears.
She goes, "Thank you."
And of course we both went out there.
And again, like deja vu, I take someone in for a read.
She comes out balling her eyes out
and I'm like, "Oh my God, what have I done again?"
But it was interesting that I have my turn and I remember one of these guys who got
any questions I said, "Yes."
I said, "What's going to happen with my spiritual side?
When's this, what's going to happen with it?
When's it going to take off?"
And I'll never forget, mate.
The words floored me to this day.
Oh, my jaw just dropped.
And this is universe working its magic.
And it just said, you know, I remember I'm 18 at this time having this reading.
And he said, "All of this and this side of yourself, it's going to take off when you're 30."
Yeah.
That's 12 years.
Mate, that was just, that's an eternity for an 18 year old.
You know, but looking back on that, it's divine timing.
It has to happen in its own time.
I wouldn't be where I am without the experiences that I am.
And, you know, absolutely true to his word, literally a month
out from my 30th birthday, I opened up my own shop and healing center.
And I really stepped into this and made this my career.
And so there's that divine timing aspect.
And I think that's the hardest thing.
That's right. To teach, don't you agree?
Well, it is because you can't teach somebody how much divine timing is.
Yeah. What is the divine?
Divine timing means it's in divine time.
That can be, yeah.
And a lot of people think, oh, I've got to wait for divine time.
Now, let's be hypothetical and say, well, divine time in your time frame
might be, well, by Christmas next year, this is what I want to do or be
or where I want to be at.
Divine timing might say, no, it's five years, but they might say it's next month.
So it's very, very difficult to teach a person what
universal time is as in timeframes, because, you know,
we all, you know, we all have goals and dreams and things we
want. You wanted it to happen within 12 months, but the
the person said it'll be at the age of 30. And your thing is
divine time. Now, divine time has no time frame for anyone.
It's just that when it's divinely meant to be. And that's why
I say to people, one of the greatest things we can learn in
this experience, Pete, and in life, not just with our work, is
The beautiful are of surrendering.
Surrender yourself to the universe.
Surrender yourself in the sense of,
"Well, you know what?
I'm gonna hand it over to the greater power.
I'm going to put my energy towards that
that I so wish and desire to create,
to manifest and become whatever that may be.
But I know that divine timing will bring it to me
in the most perfect way."
- Oh, mate, you have absolutely just,
you know, sum that up beautifully.
And I know that word surrender
and surrendering to the divine and surrender spirit.
It is such an easy thing to say.
It is a practice that does require a lot of effort.
So mate, it's been wonderful.
I'm Pete Williams.
- I'm David Laws.
- And I'm gonna hand it over to my good mate, Dave,
to take us out because he does it best.
- Thank you so much, Pete.
Well, for all of our beautiful listeners,
just remember, you are exactly where you are meant
to be right here and right now.
So just take a nice big, deep, easy breath
and we'll see you on the next episode.
