Peter:
[32:32] Cool. Welcome back to the episode and again, joined by the beautiful Dr. Christine Lee, psychologist, psychotherapist living in New York, self-confessed procrastinator, turned into a procrastination coach, has lots and lots of insights and wisdom to share. I love it too because, yeah, self-confessed stress head in the last episode and realizing, no, that's not the way for me. And of course, she is back here joining us to help us with the three tips of getting you going and making sure that you don't fall into these patterns, which is a beautiful thing because, because Christine's got 25 years of experience. Not only that, like four years, nonstop weekly episodes of podcasting. She has interviewed some amazing people and, of course, her own insights as
Peter:
[33:22] well, so you can check out that. And, of course, we're here to work it. Now, in the previous episode, we talked about the fun, and we had a massive, beautiful way of looking at that. And Christine was saying, don't think of it as productivity. Fun needs to be there, and it's about releasing the stress. It's not about a doing. is about a state. I love that. And here we're going to be getting into the final two. So, thank you so much for keeping us going. And I love this. Oh, there's so much deep stuff. But again, thank you for joining us and walking us through this, Christine. So, lovely to have you here again.
Christine:
[33:55] Well, thank you so much for restating everything in such a wonderful, clear way. I learn from your style every time I talk with you. And I would say particularly when we're doing podcasting together. So I really enjoy your style of just reworking things and making it really super clear when it comes out. So I'm learning from you as we go.
Peter:
[34:17] Well, can I just say thank you? Because you actually think I have a style.
Peter:
[34:25] You have a wonderful style. I'm so go with the flow. You have a wonderful style. It changes, I think. It just always will change, but I go with it. But I love it. And, you know, if you catch this on the previous episode, you know we do like to have a laugh. Even Christine and myself, before we jumped on starting to record anything, like we were literally just in agreement going, oh, my God, it's so nice to interview and be with someone who's just like us. We go with the flow. like there's no rigidness there's this we're just going to go with it and it is it's just so nice and and as you'll hear of course we've got the topics around the episode but bear with us we are gonna there might be tangents there's gonna be wonderful side stories but that's the beautiful part about podcasting we just run with it no rules but it is no rules we go with it we're just casual so and you know i think the best thing too is christine is like christine was also warning me saying, there might be some screaming and some shouting going on next door. There's a big basketball game happening. I've told them I'm podcasting, but I said, don't worry about it. It's just real. Having this format, Christine, don't you agree? It's just welcome to our lives and welcome to our living room. It's not this perfect picture like radio studio. It's literally, you're in the living room. If my kids walk in, hey, son, hey, daughter, your dog hops up. I've I've had cats walk across keyboards. You just never know what's going to happen in these episodes.
Christine:
[35:53] Yeah, it is. We are in the midst of life, of an actual life.
Peter:
[35:58] Yeah, I love it. And I love it too because, you know, life is all about getting going. And we know, like, obviously, Christine, through her massively extensive professional career, you've come across a lot of people, like, feeling stuck or, you know, not getting going. I find this, you know, I love it because you also talk about also in the energetic awareness space as well. So, that's, you know, that's my jam. I love it.
Peter:
[36:23] And I see this too is the way people are kind of going through it. And leading on from where we left off previous episode, like we're leading into number two. And the big tip here was check your thinking. This is huge. Yeah. So, take us through, check your thinking as the second tip to get you going.
Christine:
[36:50] All right. I might need more of a cue in terms of where we should go on this one because this one is such a huge topic.
Peter:
[36:57] It is a huge one. That's why I was like, well, we better jump into it because otherwise we're going to be like, sorry, guys, this is going to be part three. Yeah.
Christine:
[37:03] Yeah, I would say so much of how we exist is through thinking. And it's how we coach ourselves through the day. It's how we plan our futures. It's how we make sense of what just happened. And all of those different levels of how we think are really important. And because Because we're weaving together a story of our own realities and our own lives through our thoughts. They're so important as building blocks and as tools and as history makers, our own history makers. And I don't think we're taught this through the coach and coaches that we have and the life experiences that we've been able to have. But I don't think this is standard training in any way. And oftentimes, I think people who are maybe caught in their own way of thinking without the benefit of a lot of other professionals feeding back information on the type and quality and nature of their thoughts, we can get caught in one story about ourselves, like a uniform.
Christine:
[38:31] Unchanging, really rigid story. So, I'll go in that direction. And to give you an example, I'm just going to create one.
Christine:
[38:39] You could say to yourself, I'm someone who has difficulty meeting new people. Right. And when, I'm not talking about myself, I'm just making this up, but that describes a lot of people. And I'm going to say.
Peter:
[38:56] Someone here clearly needs to hear this. I don't believe in coincidence. So, like you said, it's not you, it's coming to you. It's going to mean something. So roll with it.
Christine:
[39:05] And I would say that's just the one that I felt like talking about. But you can see that if you see yourself as someone who has difficulty meeting new people, that that becomes the circumstance every single time you open a door to a new space with new people. That you're already priming yourself as someone who presumably –, does not do well meeting new people, right? And so you're priming yourself, guess with what? With your thoughts, right? It's a belief system, but it's actual individual thoughts that you're saying, oh, I have to wait five minutes before I can even brave opening the door, you know, and then these thoughts become your habits. And by the way, I love talking about habits too, because habits are also your tools, right? And when you know how to- Well.
Peter:
[40:02] Procrastination becomes a habit, doesn't it?
Christine:
[40:04] Yes, yes. And then everything gets concretized over time because you start to see that as your identity. So maybe you're helping me weave maybe a mini theory here that you have your thought, you have your belief, that becomes a habit system or even a routine of habits, a collection of habits, like, oh my God, I feel sick before going to any major function, right? And then that becomes your identity because you don't, the anxiety is surrounding that whole story and it's emanating from you. And then you feel it's you, right? It's not maybe just a temporary version of you that you can change. And so I love reminding people and reminding myself by the way, all the time that, you know, I can change out of everything. And it's not to say that it's necessarily an easy process. And I can think about lots of different things that I have been through recently in my online business, where I've had to make real, really important changes that I have been resisting and denying the need for, for the past few years. And it has been This was huge.
Peter:
[41:25] Guys. I'm just going to, because I've seen Chris and then the breakthrough and the change that has happened for you since you've accepted and seen and gone, okay. Yeah. You've you've changed in a beautiful way like you can see the energy shift you can see like you know your body energy has moved like and it's i can see it like even talking to you and i'm watching you here on the obviously in the video and even as you're recalling that i love it because i can see everything moving inside of you in such a positive way because you're gone and it's a moment and you start going oh okay and but it's it's i don't know like oh i just I keep hearing, it's like, it's okay now. It's like I hear this voice for you. It's okay now.
Christine:
[42:16] But yet I also know I'm on the verge of another not okay moment because that's life.
Peter:
[42:23] They come together. Right, exactly.
Christine:
[42:26] Right to move forward, you're going to hit against all the other stuff that you haven't had to look at because you've been at the other space. And I know you have been doing the same. And you've been through it perhaps in a longer version than I have because mine is relatively recent and we're just different people, you know, we're going through different things, even though they're slow learner, but also you're doing big things as well. You know, we're also at different scales in different ways. I mean, you're flying to different countries to speak to people like I'm not at that point. Point so not yet not yet not yet not yet and so i just appreciate that i can say all this stuff and i'm i'm used to talking in this way that you can change your habits and anything that you call a habit is changeable but recently in my own life i have noticed that habit change can be terrifying at the same time because you're really undoing your identity so that you can reconfigure it into a newer, more desired form. Part of you or identity, you know, your, your, your next, your next, you know, version two, version five, version seven.
Peter:
[43:44] Right.
Christine:
[43:45] Version 80, you know, and I have felt in recent months that I have needed to do that. I've wanted to do that. And it's been really at moments kind of terrifying. I really, without going into that much detail, it's, it's a lot, it's a lot to say, I'm giving I'm giving this up. I'm talking in this new way. I'm releasing this. And it's a lot. It's been a lot. But also, as you have also noticed, it's freeing, too, because you then know that you can do those three, four or five new things that I've said I've recently had to go through. And it really works that way. And of course, I have an abundance of support from friends and colleagues like you. And that kind of my goals demand that I go through this because I know I'm not giving up. And I know I'm not about that. Again, not a marathoner, not a marathon runner, but that's from our other conversation. But I know that I'm meant for something and I know that I desire things and experiences and impact. And so, no, I'm not quitting and no, I'm not going to stay comfortable. I'm going to do this work, this work piece too.
Peter:
[45:01] And obviously, and I love that. So, even hearing you say that and, like, you know, hearing you really say that, I feel like, for me personally, I feel like that's, I'm like, I'm hearing you own it. And, you know, in connecting back here what we're talking about, this is, I think this is also, like, you changing your thinking. Like, being careful of your thinking. You're now owning a new way of thinking with this.
Christine:
[45:30] Yes, yes.
Peter:
[45:31] And it has. That's what your energy changed, the way that you carry yourself to change. When you talk about it, there's a beautiful confidence that comes through with that as well. So, that's me. So, there's the changing of being careful how we think. Like you said, I always kind of like that identity aspect, like the habits, the thoughts, the belief, the habits. It's almost like a feedback loop. And that's why, like you said, it concretes, like, oh, this is who we are. So, this is what I identify with. And we think we can't change that. But believe it or not guys, concrete does age and it does crumble as well. So it can change and you're better off changing it without it crumbling around you. But I love that. Now, even with this, it's interesting, we've gone with like, we've had that example of, I have trouble meeting new people to going, here's Christine owning her new path and going, hey, watch out world, I'm coming for you. You know, you have an impact to give, which is great. But I think this is a beautiful segue because looking at this, your third tip was the no standard thinking process.
Peter:
[46:32] And like being the third tip and looking at where you're coming from, how does like walk us through the no standard thinking process here? Because it is a powerful one. You know, we had a quick conversation off air about it and you mentioned it briefly in the first part there. But, you know, the no standard process, like when someone changes that thinking, so like you said, we've got some fun. I think when we find that part of ourselves, we are more aware of our thinking. If we start to change our thinking and our habits, then we start to move and we start to get going. Knowing but sometimes as we've you know with your career my clients as well they start to change but then there's this barrier of oh but maybe i'm not like them or maybe i'm not good enough or maybe this is not for me and in even in your case in my case you know we have it going oh who am i to do this or why you know mate i'm not good enough to do that like you know i'm not this and I'm not that compared to someone else. So, you know, having a look at this no standard, like this tip number three here, how do we navigate this and how do we help this? Because this is huge. Like when we talk about this one, guys, like this last tip and as Christine is about to jump into, this is your momentum, right?
Peter:
[47:56] If you can manage this, this is where most people, and like Christine was just alluding to, she's not going to give up. And that's so important. Like it's so, it can be hard even to come to that resolve, like to say to yourself, no, this means something to me. I'm not going to give up. I always make the joke of like, when I look at my hands, like the lines on my hands are like so different. And my right hand has a semi-increase. For those who don't know, that's a line that goes right across the middle of the palm. And I always say to myself, like, and if you looked at it really close up, which I can't show you here, it's a bit hard, but it's really looks like it's been stitched together, like with a sewing needle. And I make the joke of like, you know, when we have that saying of, I'm going to chuck in the towel, I'm giving up. But I always say that towel is stitched into my hand. So, every time I want to give up, I try to flick it, but I can't get rid of it. I was like, it's just, there's many times I've wanted to give up. There's many times that we have those moments, but it comes back to this, you know, no standard thinking because this is your momentum. This is what helps you to keep going. So, how do we use this, Christine? How do we get into this and how do we make the most of it?
Christine:
[49:09] Yeah, I think it's no standard thinking and also no standard acting. So the idea is that we need to give ourselves the freedom to act even when we don't believe, even when we don't have the experience, even when we have a pessimistic belief backing up that effort, even when it's never been done before. Some of the stuff that you and I and some of our listeners are doing are things that really haven't been done before because we're doing them, right? It's nothing dramatic. It's just that we're creating this stuff and we're trying things anew. Like our conversation today is a creation, is a co-creation, right? Yeah. And so I like to see things as...
Christine:
[49:59] Being creatable without pressure. And that's kind of the frame that I like to have with me, right? That what can I generate that is likable by me or something that I can appreciate and I can share and not need anyone to care or need it, but that I feel like it's just an act of creation. It's an act of movement. It's an act because I felt like it, right? So that there isn't the comparison. There isn't the self-judgment. There isn't embarrassment. There's just some neuronal firing and we see what happens. And then it's over, right? Or it catches fire.
Christine:
[50:48] So we take action just for the pleasure of taking action. And we have thoughts just for the pleasure of seeing what we create. And what comes across and how we can transform things into products, into services, into caring, into love, into progress, right? So it's like that no standard idea is like when we pressure ourselves to operate at a certain level, you're holding a lot back. You're holding your energy back from something that you could be trying. And oftentimes the trying is the release, is the release of stress, is the release of expectations, is the release of limiting boundaries that you've been playing with before, that you've been hampered by before.
Christine:
[51:38] And I think it's kind of fun. It's kind of like bowling. I'm thinking about bowling all of a sudden, a sport I love, by the way. Because it's like we're just chucking these heavy balls, right? And it's like, it's kind of like taking action, like as if you're an inexperienced bowler, right? It's not, I think bowling can be really fraught also, but think about it from the non-fraught version of bowling that you're having fun. It's Friday night, the disco lights and the music are on and you're like, oh, let's, I'd rather talk and, and drink the soda with my friend than really care about how this rolls. But, but each role is like an entertainment. That's, that's why I think I'm thinking of bowling. I find bowling to be really fun.
Christine:
[52:23] And kind of luck is in there, but skill can also be in there. But we're all having a lot of fun together. That's how I'm thinking about it. No standards.
Peter:
[52:33] Well, and I do like that because even though technically you could be, like you said, at the bowling alley with all your friends, you're all on the scoreboard. But I think it's how much do you really want to pay attention to the scoreboard versus the actual moment.
Christine:
[52:47] Yeah.
Peter:
[52:48] Like, and that's where it's like, yeah, if all you're walking away with is worrying about, you know, they won or I won, you're not taking in the moment and the experience that it's giving you and not worrying about the standard. You just got to give it a go.
Christine:
[53:03] Great point. Generally, we don't recall the scores. We recall how funny someone looked.
Peter:
[53:08] Well, you might not.
Christine:
[53:12] Well, now I know what we're going to do when we meet each other next. We're headed to the next bowling alley.
Peter:
[53:19] It's going to be odd. It's going to be odd. No, I can't help it. Growing up in a family. But my daughter, just recent last month when she was her 13th birthday, we had went to 10 pin bowling and I couldn't help it because like my nephew he's at got really competitive all of a sudden so it's like oh okay so sometimes it's like you can't help it you gotta do it but no but at the same time what a beautiful thing because we had a great time and you know it wasn't always about how who's good or how to compare myself to this it's just because we're there having and giving things a go and I think that's it is a powerful thing because there are so many many things that when you have- it's that comfort zone, isn't it? Like, you have to step outside it because you're not going to have that growth unless you do. But it is very limiting if you're already looking to compare or judge yourself before you even step out the door.
Peter:
[54:20] Like, you don't know what's going to happen. You have to kind of allow it to happen. But it's a big part heart of the momentum you know we do it like i know like i just mean what an amazing accomplishment for you like you know it's four years not missing an episode that's that's a big feat in this world because you know anybody who is thinking about it or is like you know relatively new to podcasting or doesn't know the the background of podcasting podcasting is a long-term thing this is not a short-term most what is it it's like i think about like five or ten percent of all podcasts actually go past their first few months so four years in the podcasting world is massive like it's the commitment there as well but you know i know for a fact for me when i was looking at doing it i felt good about podcasting it was like but i know for me it's like oh but what happens if i can't get an episode out what happens if i can't like i was automatically in that standard thinking, what we're talking about and and that stopped me from even acting or even giving it a go and it's It's really tough, but then it's like, I've got to do this. If I don't start it, it's never going to happen and there's not going to be that growth. And I think it's a big thing kind of going through that. And I love it too because it links back to the first one that we talked about. This is fun.
Peter:
[55:37] Like, you know, this is that light part for me. It's the energy for me. It's the same thing like you're saying before. You get educated. You get all this kind of stuff and it links back to those things of, you know, and that's me. Mean like i love it even in podcasting itself i'm looking i'm just looking at those three tips it's like the fun and it's like you know it's like be careful how you're thinking i was like i knew it was going to be fun but then i got into my head what if okay i can't do this you know whatever else oh maybe i'm maybe i like i don't know what my style is which is nice to know if christine's tell me i've got a style you do but you know what i mean it's it's that whole thing of of it see how quickly it can happen but then as soon as you get through that and you acknowledge it and going it is fun don't worry about it like you make mistakes but the whole thing is yeah don't compare and don't don't have a standard just just do it good old you know nike yeah well pat to become a.
Christine:
[56:37] Podcaster there comes a point where you say i just have to do it because I spent four years thinking about doing a podcast and that's a long time, right? Think I could be an eight year podcaster at this point, but you know, I spent the four years just thinking about it. And I think you're, I think every person who has a podcast, I would maybe not every person, but almost all the people who are, have a podcast have been through this hurdle, have, have overcome this hurdle because it's really there because it's all you. It's all your creation. There really are no rules and it is all you. And that's a big hurdle. That's a high hurdle for most of us to face down. Yeah. So I'm proud of us both.
Peter:
[57:32] No, it is, but I love it because it really does, like, just in that conversation, I started looking and going, wow, like, I did fall into those traps that we've talked about. And it was, it was like, but to get moving, it was like, yeah, I ticked the box of going, this is fun for me. I like this. So, that's going to make it easier to do, you know. Then it was like, but the thinking, like, you know, how interesting that you spent four years thinking about doing it, you know. And it's amazing, eight years podcasting, but hey, four years is a huge accomplishment anyway, not taking away from that. But the whole thing is you still did it. And I think that's a beautiful thing to kind of finish with. And I just, I love that. And so, for all of you listening, just remember, just like Christine said, fun. Come back to that and take Christine's advice here. This is, remember guys, this is about getting you going. This is just to kind of restart the engine. It's almost like, don't get in the car to go somewhere specific. How about you just get in the car to go for a drive and see where it leads you. Come back to just enjoying that process for what it is. And, you know, fun is a release valve. And I love that. And that was a beautiful thing. Watch how you're thinking. And of course.
Peter:
[58:54] Don't have the standards and don't have the acting because you're going to have to show up in some things you have to be different. But I think it's a beautiful thing. I don't mind making a bit of a fool of myself, hence the good old B-roll of the beach as we talk about. But it's a beautiful thing and I love that. And hopefully, these three tips will help you. And I cannot thank Christine for for your time, your wisdom, and your insights, there is so, so, so, so much more that this lovely lady can share and impart. And that impact that you were talking about, it is going to happen. And you know what? I'm going to help make it happen because I know that I would love to have you back. If any of my listeners are out there, you want to hear more from Christine. She runs a wonderful programming, helping people and especially women really kind of start moving in their process. So you can look her up. So we'll put that in the show notes for you as well. She's really kind of getting that going. She's like, no, I'm here. I'm going to do this. I'm here to help. Honestly, I love it, Christine. Thank you so much for your time. And I cannot wait to have you back. We're going to get into so many other things, but thank you so much for these three tips.
Christine:
[1:00:06] Oh, thank you so much for helping me make a beautiful set of trainings for people right on the spot. I, again, love your style. I love talking with you. I appreciate these two episodes that we've just created together. And I hope some of this energy really gets, you know, gets expanded through our listeners that they get to run with it. They get to have fun, right? No, no excess pressure needed. Go for the fun. There's a core of fun inside of you, even if you've forgotten it temporarily.
Peter:
[1:00:41] And I love that. It is there. Just get back to yourself. Get back into fun. But let us know if Christine's helped you. You can drop a review. You can DM us on social. I'd love to do it. Or if this has inspired you, I'd love to hear your stories. Even take a picture or a video of you having fun. Let us know because, like Christine said at the beginning and around the story, you can share. And by sharing that, we can share that with others. and then all of a sudden we're magnifying that fun and we're bringing people back to that vibration, which would be absolutely awesome. So, again, thank you so much. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in for these. Hope it helps. I'd love to hear from you if it has. And, of course, we'll see you very soon in the next episode of the Inner Power Podcast. Thanks, everyone. There's always that little lag on the stop.
Christine:
[1:01:37] There is, right?
Peter:
[1:01:39] Yeah, but now it's saying something went wrong.
Christine:
[1:01:44] With the recording?
Peter:
[1:01:45] I don't.
Christine:
[1:01:47] It looks like it's still recording.
Peter:
[1:01:48] It's interesting. I've hit the stop. It is. It says stopping, but it's still recording.
Christine:
[1:01:55] I always press it twice, and I don't think we should have to press it twice. It's very awkward. I agree.
Peter:
[1:02:00] No, and I don't know what to do here. Because it's stopping, but it's not stopping the clock. I'm also, I'm literally just commentating for Jens, who's my producer, just in case he's listening to this. Hi, Jens. I'm like, we don't know what's going on. This is like, it just continues to tick over. Why would it not stop? I think it'll be okay because I think even if we just leave it, it will cut the video and it'll upload.
Christine:
[1:02:36] You can cut, he'll cut.
Peter:
[1:02:37] Yeah, it will cut.
Christine:
[1:02:39] Yeah, it's fine.
Peter:
[1:02:40] But it's just like unusual that it's not actually stopping because I noticed when you hit stop, there's about three to four seconds and I just wait for it to say that's done.
Christine:
[1:02:50] So you press it once.
Peter:
[1:02:51] I think we'll just have to.
Christine:
[1:02:51] You just press it once and it's enough? Okay. All right, good to know. Yeah. Because I'm more anxious than you are with that. But it's just really weird.
Peter:
[1:02:59] Nah. Well, look, there's nothing I can do about it. But the great thing is because it's recording and with Riverside, it uploads automatically. So even if it dropped, like, for example, if the power on my computer dropped or Riverside had an issue, that recording would still be there. So I'm not too stressed about, you know, I don't think we're going to lose, you know, the recording at all. So that's fine. But that was beautiful. Honestly, thanks for that, Christine. I know I kind of put this up, but it was nice that we kind of flowed with it and just went with where it needed to go.
Christine:
[1:03:31] Oh, you do lovely work. So thank you. Really honest, honest, honest truth of that. I love your summary capacity. It's really great. And it's, you're like, you're a natural, you're a natural teacher. And I, yeah, no, our conversations are so fun.
Peter:
[1:03:50] No, look, and the more fun it is, I always find the better too. Like, you know, it's just, it's gotta be relatively upbeat, but I love those moments. If you can have that fun and have the value in there, it'll be boom. So that's awesome.
Christine:
[1:04:03] Yeah, no, we've got it. I love that.
Peter:
[1:04:05] Got it. But I was going to say, what I might do, if you're all right, what I'm going to quickly do, because have you got enough time? Because I want to hear about your breakthrough.
Christine:
[1:04:14] Yeah.
Peter:
[1:04:16] So let's- So what I might do, just give me a second. Do you have time or do you want to reschedule? Yeah, because we can leave this one and I can send you a new link link and we can just connect up and we don't have to record it right yeah this one's done.
Christine:
[1:04:30] Let's let's do that okay let's do that.
Peter:
[1:04:32] Okay all right so yeah i'll wait you'll.
Christine:
[1:04:35] Send me a link through facebook and i'll come back in okay.
Peter:
[1:04:37] Yep bye.
